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Xiahou
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Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:55 pm Posts: 149 Location: Middle-East
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Why cant Ice make water freeze if it is cold and water is not affected like it is boiling but ice is not good with water when frozen?
EDIT: Lol I cant believe I wrote this above ^^^
Anyways I ment dosent Ice suppose to be effictive against water?
Articuno shoots an Icebeam against Gyardos hydro pump, the two shots collide what happens? Of course water will be frozen and the Ice beam cuts through. But the funny thing is that water resists ice why?
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 8:48 am |
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Joey90
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Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 3:43 am Posts: 396 Location: UK
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To make the types more even
But also have you ever tried putting an ice cube into a glass of water... what happens?
The ice doesn't freeze all the water in the glass :roll: the water conducts heat away, and melts the ice  Water>Ice 
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:58 am |
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Xiahou
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Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:55 pm Posts: 149 Location: Middle-East
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But an Ice beam surely can freeze the water, or at least the water pokemon, frozen fish anyone?
Really its easy to find a frozen Goldeen (or Majikarp ). But it sounds confusing, soo confusing*
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Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:29 am |
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Mr.Chaos
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Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 1:37 pm Posts: 151 Location: In a castle fighting zombies
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Xiahou wrote: But an Ice beam surely can freeze the water, or at least the water pokemon
Dude your right but nitendo ALWAYS has to screw something
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:45 am |
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Sion9
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Like Joey90 said, it takes a lot of ice to freeze water, depending on the temperature of the ice. A beam of ice would not be cold enough to freeze many, if any water pokemon in actuality.
The ice would melt because although the water would get colder, the ice would get warmer, warm enough so that it would become water.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:05 pm |
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thekiller0703
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That's like saying that when you use fire to melt ice, the water will put out the fire :roll:
Then why wouldn't poison be strong against water? (pollution)
Why wouldn't fire be strong against water? (boiling)
Why is ghost weak to anything? I mean, it's a ghost...
Why is normal weak to fighting? Isn't fighting normal too?
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:11 pm |
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black_flygon
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Sion9 wrote: Like Joey90 said, it takes a lot of ice to freeze water, depending on the temperature of the ice. A beam of ice would not be cold enough to freeze many, if any water pokemon in actuality.
The ice would melt because although the water would get colder, the ice would get warmer, warm enough so that it would become water.
Like sion9 said, it takes a lot of water. Let me give you and example, you take half a glass of water and put it in the freezer and then go and boil (before evaporating) half a glass of water. Then put them together, heat and cold, which have very different temperatures will eventually brake the glass.
Another one is what happens when you put Ice in (normal temperature) water. Doesn't it crack, well that would too happen when they collide, no matter what.
Also, it is proven that it is easier to cool down water then to heat it up (it takes longer), so no to fire being strong against water.
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Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:05 pm |
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Xiahou
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Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:55 pm Posts: 149 Location: Middle-East
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well as i said it is confusing...
If you remeber at pokemon movie 2000 you can see articuno freezing the ware when chasing Lugia
But ya, I have ti agree that water is stronger than ice somehow anyways
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:45 am |
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Joey90
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Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 3:43 am Posts: 396 Location: UK
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Prepare for Nerdy answer:
Water has a high Specific Heat Capacity and high Specific Latent Heat (A-level Biolgy/Physics)
This means it takes a lot of energy to make water change temperature or change state... this means that it takes a LOT of fire to boil it - just think how long it takes to boil water in a kettle over an open fire (electric kettles aren't fire  ) Unless it was a superhot flame (like a few thousand degrees, and the water was gently splashed over it it wouldn't be vaporised quickly enough to avoid the flame being extinguished.
For the Ice vs. Water, the average temperature of Ice is say -5 degrees, and water is about 25 degrees, and even more importantly, the AIR temperature is 25 degrees, this means that the ice is constantly being heated, and you would need a LOT more ice than you had water to actually make it freeze the water. (It helps at the arctic where the air temp. is in minus numbers  but even there it is hard to achieve!)
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:35 pm |
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Sion9
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thekiller0703 wrote: That's like saying that when you use fire to melt ice, the water will put out the fire :roll:
perhaps, but only after the ice is melted. (If the fire is hot enough, the water might evaporate...but that's beside the point)
thekiller0703 wrote: Why wouldn't fire be strong against water? (boiling)
Because it takes a lot of energy to boil water (water has a high Specific Heat - Science :roll: )
The thing to remember is that this is pokemon - there are types that don't fit in with the real world.
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Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:07 pm |
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KOL40
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Joey90 wrote: To make the types more even
But also have you ever tried putting an ice cube into a glass of water... what happens?
The ice doesn't freeze all the water in the glass :roll: the water conducts heat away, and melts the ice  Water>Ice 
actually, that is totally dependant on outside temp. trust me, i took triginometry  seriously, i did. honors even. and made B's both semesters. it is a princepal called convection. it means that an object introduced to an environment at a diff. temp than the envi. will slowly match that temp. like if you took a hot pan out of the oven and put it in a bathtub. it will cool. likewise is you put an ice cube in a glass of water at room temp. the cube melts. but lets say you put an ice cube in a glass of water and set the glass outside. in the ARTIC!!!! the glass of water freezes as well!!!!!
anyway, to answer the ? the first (i think) poster was right. it is a video game and they had to make it balanced. so ice<water.
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Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:57 pm |
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